Salvation via Savior or Self-Awakening?

[regnauld]

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He is in my FAITH. You don't believe me? hahaha! the question doesn't suggest an answer you want to believe either. so what now?

He is your FAITH? how about LOVE and HOPE?

So, whats your answer? I still don't get an answer to my simple question. Are you still mad at me?

[kebot]

He is your FAITH? how about LOVE and HOPE?

So, whats your answer? I still don't get an answer to my simple question. Are you still mad at me?

He is your FAITH?
--- rephrased? lols!

I still don't get an answer to my simple question
--- because you are not ready to accept an answer...

[regnauld]

He is your FAITH?
--- rephrased? lols!

I still don't get an answer to my simple question
--- because you are not ready to accept an answer...

Why do you say i am not ready for an answer when in fact I was asking you a verysimple question?

[Soul Doctor]

The popular Religion in the world has this understanding that men are sinners, because of Sin he or she is bound for hell, a place of suffering. To snatch the Soul away from this distasteful end confession of a Savior is needed, an external power to save men from Hell.

but there is a different approach to this and that is via Self-Awakening. A process where men goes inside in meditation seeking to still the mind and Awakened the inner soul, no external Savior.

now, share your thoughts about this, give your list of the pros and cons.

I dont believe in hell.
I dont believe in heaven, too.

If ever we sin, no saviour can save our soul or there will be no justice at all.

Example:
If I kill ten people randomly without motive.
I shot them among a crowded place with an automatic rifle.

What if the 10 people I killed never accepted Jesus as saviour.
It means they all go to hell right?

Then, I was imprisoned for life.
Then I repented in jail.
Accepted jesus as my savior and become a preacher.

I become a new man.
And surely I will go to heaven.
While the persons I killed went to hell.
Where is justice there?

Just think about it.
Do we really need a saviour?

[regnauld]

Only Christians need an external savior or scapegoat of their BS! correct me if am wrong!

[Tirong-say]

But buddhist as well believe in an external idea as scapegoat..............reincarnation.............. .

[dartzed]

Only Christians need an external savior or scapegoat of their BS! correct me if am wrong!

hmmmmmmm how sure are you that only Christians do?..

[regnauld]

But buddhist as well believe in an external idea as scapegoat..............reincarnation.............. .

Reincarnation is not a savior nor a scapegoat but tied to the law of karma itself and its not external nor internal. It is just as it is.

[regnauld]

hmmmmmmm how sure are you that only Christians do?..

Thats why you may correct me if i am wrong. I should have not used the word only...hehehe

FYI, all exoteric religions esp. christianity are longing for an external savior and it is the exoteric Christian religion who is very vocal about the savior thingy when in fact thats nothing new but a very ancient concept that stems from paganism.

[Tirong-say]

Reincarnation is not a savior nor a scapegoat but tied to the law of karma itself and its not external nor internal. It is just as it is.

Is the law up for grabs and available to those who believe in it?..........
How a karma be solve if there is no reincarnation to believe and refer with?