Gays and Lesbians in Churches

[noy]

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The statement came from the bible.

sure, but not everyone believes in the bible.

it also is something that is taught in christian schools.

i understand but not everyone holds the same belief.

but one thing Folau is not doing is forcing it to everyone's throat like those LGBT and Vegans are doing about their beliefs.

so if others are doing it, should you also do it? that's not very christ-like is it?

If someone denounces Jesus infront of me, then i will not get offended. It's his choice and it's none of my business.
I don't even care if you are a satanist. If you ask me if i want a atheist or a satanist to be converted to Jesus then yes I want to. But forcing them to believe in Jesus is a different story.

yeah you don't force your beliefs on other people but you guys are so fond of demonizing other beliefs that does not coincide with your own. hahaha
freedom of expression does not give you the license to condescend on other beliefs.
talk about your faith and whatnot, blab about how you believe you guys are saved but damning people who do not share your belief to the lowest of low, or worse, deeming it as an act of love? i don't think i could ever find something more disturbing.

[erwin_rommel]

BS. That's not an act of love. But it's outright self righteousness.

I hate it when religious people are too quick to judge and they sound that they are too sure with everything they are reading and are saying.

I prefer those religious who are neutral to everything. I have friends who are pastors and emams. They know im an atheist but they never did say that im going to hell or anything. They respect who i am and my stand i religion or the lack of religion.


Priest or a religious person whatever tbeir religion is who says that someone will go to hell and they need to repent is so full of themselves.

In the case if adultery how can you believe a priest on this subject matter when they're not even married. They don't know what marriage is. And the circumstances why a person has committed adultery.

Idolaters. What's wrong with that??

Drunks?? People who like to drink and get drunk. Anything wrong with it??

Homosexuals This is part of how humans are. The psyche is very hard to decipher. A lot of gay priests. And yet ae still see them preaching, how about the church burn those gay priest themselves...


Liars For f.cks sake. Everyone lies.

Fornicators?? Eating. Sleeping. Drinking. F.cking. Those are the very basic needs and functions of a human being. I for one is guilty with this hahahaha. F.cked lots of women. I didn't raped them. We f.cked. That's it.

Thieves?? That's part of human essence also, it's innate that if it's not ours we shouldn't take it.


Back to priests in the church..... I've sited a lot of indignities that ive personally witnessed. Why does the church tolerate such actions??

Why the church who is the gauge of righteousness not able to do something against those erring priest??

Why when priests are caught that we needed our Law to fall down on them. Why isn't there an automatic expulsion from the church??

Why is it that the church is always encroaching with the political affairs of our country?? Isn't there a law that states... Separation of church and state..

If Israel Folau forced his beliefs to everyone, then that's what i call self righteous. Why are you getting offended when Christians say sinners will go to hell when in fact you don't even believe heaven or hell exists?

I would agree with you in the current status of the catholic church in the Philippines. I find many of the high ranking priests hypocrites. Like those who meddle with state affairs and those who cover up crimes. In Australia, things are different. The catholic church specifically which is still comprises 20% of the population but don't mingle with politics. They voice what they believe but never force them. And you know what, the catholic church here even owns a casino called Catholic club. Crimes committed by the religious gets also punished. George Pell, a catholic cardinal, is in jail for child *** abuse.

The LGBT has more influence and they are getting more powerful everyday. Major companies like Qantas and ANZ have their full support. The problem with LGBT is they force their ideas. If you don't agree with them like same *** marriage, then you are against them and considered homophobic.

I myself is a practicing catholic. Goes to church every sunday, prays to God. But i do listen to metal music. I even attended a live concert of black metal band Behemoth. They are practicing satanists and they do satanic rituals in their shows which i find silly.

[gibra'al]

it's not just about mindset boss, it's a fact that sexual abuse is prevalent among clergymen and most cases are homosexual in nature. this one here is an isolated case and I am not trying to discredit the LGBTQ community's contributions to the society.

i get where you're coming from. i do not condone those actions as well either. it's just that mas highlighted/emphasized ang cases sa gays/lesbians kumpara sa heteros who are involved with similar scandals sab. that's all.

Kana ang dako kaayo na misconception boss.

Kanang mga bayot ug tomboy dugay naman na sila gi. Accept sa society.

Ang problem lies within them. Kay gusto pa gyud sila ug more. They are making useless noise with this lgbt.. Q... If ma remember na ninyu...it was only gays n lesbians... Then... Trans then bis3xual.... And now... Q??

Makita gyud nato na sila ra gyud nag make sa ilang own problem. They are trying to define each. They themselves are segregating their very own. Discrimination within their ranks. Sila ra ang patagad permi.

It's not about being gay or lesbian that makes society react badly towards a person but it's the bad/unsightly behavior of a person.

misconception? if that's what you want to believe, imuha pud na sir. but data speaks otherwise, which is very accessible online for everyone to check. ang problema dli ra mismo sa community nila, but sa tibuok sociedad sa pinoy as a whole. makita ang tinuod nga kolor sa mga taw when LGBTQ+ issues arise and they get the chance nga ma involve sa discussions.

yes, PH is a good place to live for LGBTQ+ but this country does not offer constitutional protection to this group, at all. name 1 law and i'd gladly concede and admit nga sayop ko.

i don't buy those pride parade BS and unsa pa nang movements nila, kay wa nay pangil. i acknowledge the effort... pero puro ra na hangin, way unod. pagarpar ray gaayo. kiat2 ra. unya na ko mu bilib ana nila kung naa nay klarong agi nga nkasulat sa papel.

isa pud nang factor nang dautay within sa community. kung akoy pangutan-on, i don't want to be in that cluster either. there's something about 'being pinoy' in general that i feel so repulsed towards. like you said, ang problema mismo ky ang character.

[gibra'al]

why do you think laws are made for? there's your answer. any sort of violence or act nga mulabag sa katungod isip usa ka taw, when not criminalized, will only encourage people to commit 'crimes' against a targeted group. in short, no protection.

for instance, civil union for LGBTQ+ dris pinas is not legally recognized. kung unsay benefits sa hetero partners in this category, dli sila covered or ineligible sila. kung ikw naas ilang lugar, what would you feel? but of course, we don't care about them unless it directly affects us, diba? sige ingani na lang, think about the benefits nga naa mo ron as a married couple... and then you get deprived of them just 'cause you don't represent the traditional/norm setup nga gi-dikta sa sociedad.

currently, ang mga laws dri sa pinas (in this category) are women and children-centric. miskan laws protecting men or any other groups, wala.

if that's the case... and following your logic...

• should we call women out for asking too much?
• aren't they 'too privileged'?
• why are there no laws for men protection? would it make men less 'manly' kung naa? are we going to assume that men do not need laws 'cause they can 'suck it up'?
• if men see women as their equal, then why do such laws exist? does that translate to men questioning women's capabilites to protect themselves hence the need for a law to enforce them?

[Liberal_Tears]

this thread is obviously a flamebait. we all know unsay sentiments sa majority sa pinoys to anything towards LGBTQ+: tolerant but unaccepting and/or against it.

gamay ra kaayo nang porsyento na makita natong activity sa social media nga in favor sa community. i've worked on some LGBTQ-related projects sa mga clients nko like infographics and other related materials, and i have to say dli promising ang Philippines in terms ani nga subject. it's not just PH but most of the countries around the world aren't (positively) inclined towards LGBTQ+.

it will take years/decades before mausab ang landscape. i'm hopeful sa bag-ong generasyon nga silay mkapausab sa public perception towards ani, but as long as these boomers, gen Xs and Ys are still alive... ay kay mog laom ky mgsakit ra inyong buot. lol. lisud gyd na usbon ang mindset sa mga guwang ky mao nman nay naandan nilang tinuhuan.

What else do you want? LGBT are already accepted in our society, they can do what non LGBT can do.

[battouter]

pari o madre... daghan naman gud bayot ug tomboy sa simbahan. naa pa man gani mi ilhan nga double blade. di nalang na nato himoon ug isyu gud, kay ila man sad ng tinoohan. ana mana tanan kulto, mapakristyano, muslim o unsa pa na diha... iyahay lang ug trip ba.

ako pa ana nila, sama sa mga mormon, inglesia, sabadista, etc. maghimo sila ug ilang kulto nga base gihapon sa kristyanismo nga lgbtxyz ra ang mga klero sa simbahan. wa may makapalag ana.

[marius]

pari o madre... daghan naman gud bayot ug tomboy sa simbahan. naa pa man gani mi ilhan nga double blade. di nalang na nato himoon ug isyu gud, kay ila man sad ng tinoohan. ana mana tanan kulto, mapakristyano, muslim o unsa pa na diha... iyahay lang ug trip ba.

ako pa ana nila, sama sa mga mormon, inglesia, sabadista, etc. maghimo sila ug ilang kulto nga base gihapon sa kristyanismo nga lgbtxyz ra ang mga klero sa simbahan. wa may makapalag ana.

Hahaha. Kinsa ilang patron saints ana boss??

George Michael. Micheal Jackson. Freddie mercury.

Ang ilang obispo kay si vice ganda ug si boy abunda.

Ilang pope kay si elton john hahaha.

[ComeToPapa]

I fine gays having civil union but against church wedding. Making the partner legitimate in the eyes of the law has a lot of benefits and if we deny them such, it would be really unfair.

[Liberal_Tears]

I fine gays having civil union but against church wedding. Making the partner legitimate in the eyes of the law has a lot of benefits and if we deny them such, it would be really unfair.

so its just for benefits?

we can always change the guidelines regarding rules for Beneficiaries - No one will oppose that and the law will be already passed by now.