yup... just as evil does not exist.. good does not also..... it only becomes good n evil if you label it so...
infinite intelligence..... thats that..... it cant be explained nor given human characteristics... it does not destinguish the good from the evil nor the ugly from the beautiful.. it is equal to all... it is the force that holds all the physical laws together..
all those horrible events caused by humans such as wars, genocide, ethnic cleansing.. are just evidence of the presence of conflicting interests within men... nothing more, nothing less..
ex.. two tribes... one tribe has no resources, the other tribe has enough for self sustenance... it is in the best interest of the first tribe to drive away, kill all, take over the second tribe as this would secure the tribe's survival.. it is also against the interests of the second tribe to share because doing so would inflict harm to its own members... there are no morals.. just necessities and conveniences...
Last edited by AmorsoloX; 03-29-2010 at 08:55 PM.
I am also surprised why for all reason you have to view everything that is wrong as "atheistic". Are atheists really that bad? Killers, murderers, whoremongers, warfreaks, rapists, molesters, anti-christs? I think this veiw is lopsided. I am not an atheist but I learn to like their views their ideals and their blunt perspective in life. We can't justify and insistent that everything is true. We view life as good... either you're a christian, atheists, buddhist, muslim... etc...
Isn't it ther an old saying... happy to those who are happy? We are not living in a world with religious dictatoship anymore... people have ways and means... it's just not what you expected it to be.
there is NO objective nor ABSOLUTE morality.(people who lobby this ABSOLUTES are screwed up bigots in the funny papers). morality for me is relative as well as subjective.
putting your first hand receivers of the commandments from bush fire being in the lime light does not equate to ME believing it's accountability. now, back to moses and his ilk...
if absolute morality was in hand by then, how come we can consider SOME if not MOST of their ACTS and PRACTICES as revolting and foul in today's age.(i.e. slavery, genocide and baby killings, etc.)
face it, moses and his ilk had was an IN-GROUP type of morality. it only shared and revolved within that specified group...rest of the world never could give a damn. and men of the cloth want to pattern and mirror such framework just because its in the pages of some holy book.
you are missing the point. let me break it down for yah...
They(moses and company) got the commandments(thou shalt not killl, etc..)
few days later they wipe out some tribe. now tell me, what the fudge is that?
that kind of instrument conveyed one self defeating message.
goes to reflect the type of morality these people have. INEFFECTIVE.
Last edited by munzter666; 04-01-2010 at 10:53 AM.
yes... all of us are sinners.
This is a separate issue, but is this "infinite intelligence" similar to the concept of God?
You believe they were horrible... Is anything that is "horrible" bad?all those horrible events caused by humans such as wars, genocide, ethnic cleansing.. are just evidence of the presence of conflicting interests within men... nothing more, nothing less..
I see. "Might makes right" in other words, right?ex.. two tribes... one tribe has no resources, the other tribe has enough for self sustenance... it is in the best interest of the first tribe to drive away, kill all, take over the second tribe as this would secure the tribe's survival.. it is also against the interests of the second tribe to share because doing so would inflict harm to its own members... there are no morals.. just necessities and conveniences...
I never said atheists are bad people. I was only pursuing Amorsolo's idea about morality. He said that there are no objective moral truths like right and wrong, good and evil, so I asked him if he thinks certain events, like the Holocaust, genocide and acts like rape, are not objectively evil, and I was shocked that he thinks they're not. So I said that perhaps that's just consistent with an atheistic or naturalistic worldview, because according to atheism, at least as far as I understand it, God does not exist, so there's no transcendent and objective foundation for moral values. Morality, according to atheism and naturalism, is simply the by-product of socio-biological evolution, so morality is only subjective and relative.
Are you saying that you believe the claims of atheism?I am not an atheist but I learn to like their views their ideals and their blunt perspective in life. We can't justify and insistent that everything is true. We view life as good... either you're a christian, atheists, buddhist, muslim... etc...
What do you mean?Isn't it ther an old saying... happy to those who are happy? We are not living in a world with religious dictatoship anymore... people have ways and means... it's just not what you expected it to be.
Last edited by josephdc; 04-07-2010 at 04:22 PM.
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